| Talk:flake Jul 9th 2013, 01:31, by Florian Blaschke | | | | Line 5: | Line 5: | | | *Yes. ON {{term|flaga}} seems more analogous to English {{term|flay|lang=en}} to me. Flake is a weird one... the OED say "of difficult etymology: possibly several distinct words have coalesced", so I am wary of any "simple" solution. It may have existed in OE, though it's not attested before Chaucer. OED also suggests ON {{term|flóke||lock of hair, flock of wool}} as cognate. I don't think we can reasonably just invent a solution, however tempting, unless there is some authority for it. <span class="latinx">[[User:Widsith|Ƿidsiþ]]</span> 16:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | | *Yes. ON {{term|flaga}} seems more analogous to English {{term|flay|lang=en}} to me. Flake is a weird one... the OED say "of difficult etymology: possibly several distinct words have coalesced", so I am wary of any "simple" solution. It may have existed in OE, though it's not attested before Chaucer. OED also suggests ON {{term|flóke||lock of hair, flock of wool}} as cognate. I don't think we can reasonably just invent a solution, however tempting, unless there is some authority for it. <span class="latinx">[[User:Widsith|Ƿidsiþ]]</span> 16:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC) | | | <section end="etymology"/> | | <section end="etymology"/> | | | + | :I wonder if [[fleck]] and perhaps [[flock]] (etymology 2) belong to the words which merged in [[flake]]. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 01:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC) | | | + | | | | *In my opinion the word fictus ( made, false) gives fake. The word sectus, cut gives sake ( safety), the word rectus gives rake(garden tool), the word coctus (cooked)gives cake, the word lectus( bed,choosen) gives lake and so the word flectus( curved) is a cognate of flake. --[[User:Mark Mage|Mark Mage]] 15:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | | *In my opinion the word fictus ( made, false) gives fake. The word sectus, cut gives sake ( safety), the word rectus gives rake(garden tool), the word coctus (cooked)gives cake, the word lectus( bed,choosen) gives lake and so the word flectus( curved) is a cognate of flake. --[[User:Mark Mage|Mark Mage]] 15:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC) | | | + | :I must commend you for your attempt at finding a regular pattern, but your proposals are unfortunately untenable. --[[User:Florian Blaschke|Florian Blaschke]] ([[User talk:Florian Blaschke|talk]]) 01:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 01:31, 9 July 2013 Online Etymology Dictionary claims some Old Norse word flak ("torm piece") as the origin for the Old English word. However, there is not such word in Old Norse and the corresponding one (according to ODS) is fleka/fleki ("wicker-work shield"). Interestingly, there is a Norwegian word flak which means torn piece. I think that claiming OE < Norwegian descendance would look strange, but here comes Bokmålsordboka on succor and explains that the Norwegian word descends from unattested ON *flaga ("torn piece") and I am fairly convinced that this provides the solution to the issue whence the OE word was borrowed - the answer is English flake < OE ... < ON *flaga ("torn piece") ( > Norwegian flak ("torn piece")). Are there any objections against putting the italicised text in the etymology section? Bogorm 12:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC) - Yes. ON flaga seems more analogous to English flay to me. Flake is a weird one... the OED say "of difficult etymology: possibly several distinct words have coalesced", so I am wary of any "simple" solution. It may have existed in OE, though it's not attested before Chaucer. OED also suggests ON flóke ("lock of hair, flock of wool") as cognate. I don't think we can reasonably just invent a solution, however tempting, unless there is some authority for it. Ƿidsiþ 16:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- I wonder if fleck and perhaps flock (etymology 2) belong to the words which merged in flake. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- In my opinion the word fictus ( made, false) gives fake. The word sectus, cut gives sake ( safety), the word rectus gives rake(garden tool), the word coctus (cooked)gives cake, the word lectus( bed,choosen) gives lake and so the word flectus( curved) is a cognate of flake. --Mark Mage 15:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
- I must commend you for your attempt at finding a regular pattern, but your proposals are unfortunately untenable. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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