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User talk:Stephen G. Brown
Jun 2nd 2012, 04:49

Proto-Polynesian:

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:I don't have my books on PPN around anymore, so I'm not sure. I think the 1st person singular is also divided into inclusive and exclusive. I think there were already different dialects of PPN after it separated from PAN, and I'm not sure about the range of possibilities in pronouns. I would think the 1st-person singular inclusive would be at least *aku, if not *i-aku; and that the 1st-person singular exclusive would be *ta or *ita. I'm pretty sure these have been reconstructed, but I don't have the resources to see. [[User:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] <sup>([[User talk:Stephen G. Brown|Talk]])</sup> 04:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:I don't have my books on PPN around anymore, so I'm not sure. I think the 1st person singular is also divided into inclusive and exclusive. I think there were already different dialects of PPN after it separated from PAN, and I'm not sure about the range of possibilities in pronouns. I would think the 1st-person singular inclusive would be at least *aku, if not *i-aku; and that the 1st-person singular exclusive would be *ta or *ita. I'm pretty sure these have been reconstructed, but I don't have the resources to see. [[User:Stephen G. Brown|—Stephen]] <sup>([[User talk:Stephen G. Brown|Talk]])</sup> 04:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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::Wow! About *aku, I considered that, but here's the catch: the oldest Tongic languages, Tongan and Niuean, both have {{term|au}}. Same thing with the most linguistically conservative Nuclear Polynesian languages, Maori and Rapa Nui. Do glottal stops and hard plosives like ''k'' tend to fall out of extremely common words in Polynesian languages?
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::Also, I don't really understand how the inclusive/exclusive distinguishment works in 1st person sg. How can you exclude or include entities when there is only one entity (the speaker)?
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::Finally, what do you think of my reconstructions for the plurals? I'm rather suspicious of them, because for a couple I can't find any evidence.
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::Thank you so much! --[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 04:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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