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Wiktionary:Beer parlour Jan 30th 2012, 03:12 7 Wonders: new section ← Older revision Revision as of 03:12, 30 January 2012 Line 1,679: Line 1,679:   :That depends on the language. English treats gerunds as nouns, but we only list them as nouns when the term has taken on strongly noun-like characteristics that warrant a separate definition. Otherwise, we simply label English gerunds as "Verb" since they are also a present participle form. However, for Latin gerunds we have a separate "Gerund" part of speech, since Latin gerunds do not behave fully like nouns. Among other differences, they have no nominative and no plural, for example, and have a modified conjugation table as a result. As a result, Latin gerunds are not treated in the same way as English gerunds. What you do depends on the languages you're looking at. I don't known enough about gerunds in German to offer any more specific advice. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 16:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)   :That depends on the language. English treats gerunds as nouns, but we only list them as nouns when the term has taken on strongly noun-like characteristics that warrant a separate definition. Otherwise, we simply label English gerunds as "Verb" since they are also a present participle form. However, for Latin gerunds we have a separate "Gerund" part of speech, since Latin gerunds do not behave fully like nouns. Among other differences, they have no nominative and no plural, for example, and have a modified conjugation table as a result. As a result, Latin gerunds are not treated in the same way as English gerunds. What you do depends on the languages you're looking at. I don't known enough about gerunds in German to offer any more specific advice. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 16:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)   :In Italian, we use "Verb" as the section name, and use {{temp|gerund of}} (with "lang=it" in the definition line. [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto]] 16:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)   :In Italian, we use "Verb" as the section name, and use {{temp|gerund of}} (with "lang=it" in the definition line. [[User:SemperBlotto|SemperBlotto]] 16:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)   +   + == 7 Wonders ==   +   + Much in the way that we have kept from listing specific people by first and last name, I would propose that we not include the place name for specific entities that otherwise warrant inclusion unless the place name is integral to the name of the entity. The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World will be used to illustrate this idea, assuming that we might all consider these to be permissible dictionary entries under some title. I would permit:   +   + * [[Hanging Gardens]] instead of [[Hanging Gardens of Babylon]];   + * [[Statue of Zeus]] instead of Statue of Zeus at Olympia;   + * [[Temple of Artemis]] instead of Temple of Artemis at Ephesus, since the shrines at Corfu and Jerash are much less well known; and   + * [[Great Pyramid]] instead of [[Great Pyramid of Giza]], although this could also refer to the Great Pyramid of Cholula if the disambiguation page is to be believed on Wikipedia.   +   + In some cases the full name is required:   +   + * [[Mausoleum of Halicarnassus]] cannot be shortened since [[mausoleum]] is a common noun.   + * [[Colossus of Rhodes]] cannot be shortened since [[colossus]] is a common noun.   + * [[Lighthouse of Alexandria]] cannot be shortened since [[lighthouse]] is a common noun.   +   + Can we agree to allow these entries under the suggested titles? [[User talk:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 03:11, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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