| | ::I take your point, but am of the same opinion as [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] and 86.176, that the other [[hit the fan]]-phrases are dodges of the one up for deletion. Usage for this sort of thing is hard to come by, but search Google Books "when the shit hits the fan" (2,210 hits),"shit hits the fan" (4,240) and "hits the fan" (9,570). Add to this items hitting the fan like "chic", "chocolate", "$hit", "shift", "bleep", "you-know-what", "crap", "bullshit" etc. "Shizzle hits the fan" once. <span style="font-size:8px; letter-spacing:2px; font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Salmoneus.Aiolides|Salmoneus Aiolides]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Salmoneus.Ailoides|χαῖρε]]</sup> 07:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC) | | ::I take your point, but am of the same opinion as [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] and 86.176, that the other [[hit the fan]]-phrases are dodges of the one up for deletion. Usage for this sort of thing is hard to come by, but search Google Books "when the shit hits the fan" (2,210 hits),"shit hits the fan" (4,240) and "hits the fan" (9,570). Add to this items hitting the fan like "chic", "chocolate", "$hit", "shift", "bleep", "you-know-what", "crap", "bullshit" etc. "Shizzle hits the fan" once. <span style="font-size:8px; letter-spacing:2px; font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Salmoneus.Aiolides|Salmoneus Aiolides]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Salmoneus.Ailoides|χαῖρε]]</sup> 07:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::When I run Google books searches many more hits for "hit|hits|hitting the fan" (36K) than for "when the shit hit|hits the fan" (3.63K), so "when" doesn't seem part of the lemma. Even subtracting "shit" and "crap" still yields 14.3K, so shit is less than essential to the idiom. Furthermore we have no evidence of what the earliest form of the construction is. For example, it could be "then the shit hit the fan", "the shit really hit the fan", "when the shit hit the fan" or the same involving "crap" instead. OTOH, I might have to defer to the aggregate weight of all the "gut" intuitions on this page. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 22:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC) | | :::When I run Google books searches many more hits for "hit|hits|hitting the fan" (36K) than for "when the shit hit|hits the fan" (3.63K), so "when" doesn't seem part of the lemma. Even subtracting "shit" and "crap" still yields 14.3K, so shit is less than essential to the idiom. Furthermore we have no evidence of what the earliest form of the construction is. For example, it could be "then the shit hit the fan", "the shit really hit the fan", "when the shit hit the fan" or the same involving "crap" instead. OTOH, I might have to defer to the aggregate weight of all the "gut" intuitions on this page. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 22:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC) |
| | + | ::::My gut still has the profane version (with or without when, if, etc.) being the origin for the whole dodging (imho) system, but DCDuring's convinced me re: lemma issue and broader usage—hard redirect to [[hit the fan]].<span style="font-size:8px; letter-spacing:2px; font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Salmoneus.Aiolides|Salmoneus Aiolides]] [[User talk:Salmoneus.Aiolides|Χαῖρε]]</span> 16:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC) |
