| Template talk:ru-conj-table Apr 10th 2013, 01:17 | | | | Line 18: | Line 18: | | | :::The future tense block (three rows) with auxiliary verbs (бу́ду, бу́дешь ) should only be shown for impf and skipped for pf. | | :::The future tense block (three rows) with auxiliary verbs (бу́ду, бу́дешь ) should only be shown for impf and skipped for pf. | | | :::I've just added a header for imperative and past participles. --[[User:Atitarev|Anatoli]] <sup>([[User talk:Atitarev|обсудить]]</sup>/<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Atitarev|вклад]])</sup> 00:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | | :::I've just added a header for imperative and past participles. --[[User:Atitarev|Anatoli]] <sup>([[User talk:Atitarev|обсудить]]</sup>/<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Atitarev|вклад]])</sup> 00:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | | − | :::: I've changed the layout a bit so that it matches the Slovene templates more. I think it looks better this way. I'm not sure how to make the past tense forms fit in neatly though. The Slovene templates just leave out the gender and assume that this is known, but Slovene also uses the copula as part of the past tense while Russian has no copula anymore. Also, the table doesn't currently show this, but I assume that the past plural forms apply not just to oni, but also to my and vy? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 01:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | + | :::: I've changed the layout a bit so that it matches the Slovene templates more. I think it looks better this way. I'm not sure how to make the past tense forms fit in neatly though. The Slovene templates just leave out the gender and assume that this is known, but Slovene also uses the copula as part of the past tense while Russian has no copula anymore. The Slovene template also just says "future is formed using future forms of {{term|biti|lang=sl}} with l-participle" and doesn't give tables for all the forms. Also, the table doesn't currently show this, but I assume that the past plural forms apply not just to oni, but also to my and vy? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 01:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | | | + | :::: Oh, and another thing. The "present" of the perfective verbs has future meaning, but what if I formed another "future" from such a verb in the same way that imperfective verbs do, using the future forms of "be"? Would that make any sense at all? {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 01:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC) | | | | | | | | == #if and params? == | | == #if and params? == |
Latest revision as of 01:17, 10 April 2013 [edit] imperfective and perfective together Thanks again, CodeCat!, I've made some additions as per the discussion. I just added blocks with comments. - Label "present tense" if impf, "future tense" if pf. I renamed the parameters, e.g. pres_fut_1sg is both present and future, depends on whether it's impf or pf.
- Future tense block should appear only if impf
- 3 rows: present participle active, present participle passive, present adverbial participle only appear if impf
Please let me know if it makes sense. Can you make the changes, please? Where would you put the impf/pf parameter? In what form? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 23:31, 9 April 2013 (UTC) - I am not sure if adding the personal pronouns makes the table any clearer. If anything, it diverts the attention of the user away from the words that really matter. Furthermore, the future tense doesn't have the auxiliary verb in perfective verbs, does it? And also, does it make sense at all to list the present participle under the future tense? —CodeCat 23:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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- Can we please leave the personal pronouns? "я" is clearer to many users than "1st person singular". It's also used in the Russian wiki.
- The future tense for perfective verbs is the same as present form for imperfective. So the label for perfective should be future tense and present tense for imperfective. I renamed the params to "pres_fut_1sg", etc. to show it can be either.
- The future tense block (three rows) with auxiliary verbs (бу́ду, бу́дешь ) should only be shown for impf and skipped for pf.
- I've just added a header for imperative and past participles. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 00:09, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I've changed the layout a bit so that it matches the Slovene templates more. I think it looks better this way. I'm not sure how to make the past tense forms fit in neatly though. The Slovene templates just leave out the gender and assume that this is known, but Slovene also uses the copula as part of the past tense while Russian has no copula anymore. The Slovene template also just says "future is formed using future forms of biti with l-participle" and doesn't give tables for all the forms. Also, the table doesn't currently show this, but I assume that the past plural forms apply not just to oni, but also to my and vy? —CodeCat 01:12, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, and another thing. The "present" of the perfective verbs has future meaning, but what if I formed another "future" from such a verb in the same way that imperfective verbs do, using the future forms of "be"? Would that make any sense at all? —CodeCat 01:17, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
[edit] #if and params? I'd like to add some simple logic. For example we have parameters impf and pf. I want to display: - if {{ru-conj-table|impf|... imperfective aspect
- if {{ru-conj-table|pf|...perfective aspect
--Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)  |  |
