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Module talk:ru-verb-testmodule
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::::::I don't know the vowel rule. Could you show me? What's the Slovene function to determine this (if there is one). Besides, there are verbs that alternate prefixes (with or without "о") - разогнаться/разгонюсь. Maybe it's better to leave it as is? --[[User:Atitarev|Anatoli]] <sup>([[User talk:Atitarev|обсудить]]</sup>/<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Atitarev|вклад]])</sup> 01:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

  

::::::I don't know the vowel rule. Could you show me? What's the Slovene function to determine this (if there is one). Besides, there are verbs that alternate prefixes (with or without "о") - разогнаться/разгонюсь. Maybe it's better to leave it as is? --[[User:Atitarev|Anatoli]] <sup>([[User talk:Atitarev|обсудить]]</sup>/<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Atitarev|вклад]])</sup> 01:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
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::::::: Slovene doesn't have a function for this because you can only do this with Lua, not with templates. Slovene has two separate templates instead; one for the -ati variety and another for -eti. But because the vowel (a or e) is determined by the consonant before it, it is predictable, and when the Slovene templates are converted to Lua, they can be merged. {{User:CodeCat/signature}} 01:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Contents

[edit] a

  1. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a^-гн-СВ link examples
  2. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a^-дСВ link examples
  3. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a^СВ link examples (irregular: ru:выбежать)
  4. Шаблон:гл_ru_5aXСВ link examples
  5. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-вы-жСВ link examples
  6. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-д-ся link examples
  7. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-ж link examples
  8. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-л-сяСВ link examples
  9. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-с link examples
  10. Шаблон:гл_ru_5aСВ link examples
  11. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-сСВ link examples
  12. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-ся link examples
  13. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-сяСВ link examples
  14. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-т link examples
  15. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-тСВ link examples
  16. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-т-сяСВ link examples
  17. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-ш link examples
  18. Шаблон:гл_ru_5a-яСВ link examples

[edit] b

  1. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b link examples
  2. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b- link examples
  3. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c link examples, irregular (?): ru:спать - exception, mixture of 5b, 5c.?
  4. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c"-ся
  5. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c-лСВ link examples
  6. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b? link examples
  7. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b^СВ link examples, irregular: ru:обежать
  8. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b^-т link examples
  9. Шаблон:гл_ru_5bXСВ link examples
  10. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-б link examples
  11. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ёСВ link examples irregular present adverbial: ru:отлежать (done, see лежать)
  12. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ж link examples, iiregular: ru:бежать, separate function for бежать and derivatives?
  13. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-жСВ link examples as above, ru:бежать et al
  14. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ж-сяСВ link examples as above, ru:бежать et al
  15. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-л link examples
  16. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-лX link examples
  17. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-лСВ link examples
  18. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-л-сяСВ link examples
  19. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-м link examples
  20. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-мСВ link examples
  21. Шаблон:гл_ru_5bСВ link examples
  22. Шаблон:гл_ru_5bСВ? link examples
  23. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ся link examples
  24. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-сяСВ link examples
  25. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-сяСВ- link examples
  26. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-т link examples
  27. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-т2 link examples ru:блестеть has two conjugation types: блести́шь, блестя́т, etc., бле́щешь, бле́щут)
  28. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-тСВ link examples
  29. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-т-ся link examples
  30. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-т-сяСВ link examples
  31. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ц link examples
  32. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ш link examples
  33. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-шСВ link examples
  34. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ш-ся link examples
  35. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b-ш-сяСВ link examples

[edit] c

  1. Шаблон:гл_ru_5*c/c"^-сяСВ (empty)
  2. Шаблон:гл_ru_5*c/cСВ link examples
  3. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c link examples ru:разогнать (разгоню́)
  4. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c"-ся
  5. Шаблон:гл_ru_5b/c-лСВ link examples
  6. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c link examples
  7. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c(4)X link examples
  8. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c/c link examples
  9. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c/c"^-ся
  10. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c/c"^-сяСВ
  11. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c/c^СВ link examples
  12. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c'^-т link examples
  13. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c'^-тСВ link examples
  14. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c'^-т-ся-безл link examples
  15. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c'^-т-ся-безлСВ link examples
  16. Шаблон:гл_ru_5cX-лСВ link examples
  17. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-е link examples
  18. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-еСВ link examples
  19. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-е-ся link examples
  20. Шаблон:гл_ru_5cСВ link examples
  21. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-ся link examples
  22. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-сяСВ link examples
  23. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-т link examples
  24. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-тСВ link examples
  25. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-т-ся link examples
  26. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-т-сяСВ link examples
  27. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-шСВ link examples
  28. Шаблон:гл_ru_5c-ш-сяСВ link examples

[edit] Backing up a working function (5a), trying to reduce the number of parameters

Used by видеть, увидеть, ненавидеть, слышать, выглядеть, услышать, зависеть, обидеть, выстоять, выгнать, возненавидеть, выспаться

removed backup for 5a, test OK --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 03:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

The second parameter of class 5 is probably redundant, because this is also a Proto-Slavic sound change. In late Slavic, a change occurred where *ě became *a when it was preceded by *j or by a consonant which had undergone iotation (which came from a *j, so it's the same). In Russian, *ě > e, and *a > a, so the vowel is normally "e", but after a hushing sound it will be "a". This should be a completely predictable change, you can check if you want to make sure. —CodeCat 23:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, missed your comment. I'm up to 5c. Which subtype did you mean? The comment in 5a actually fits more выгнать, which has вы́гон and вы́гна than the original about обидеть. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I meant class 5 as a whole... all the verbs with infinitive -et'/-at', present in -i-. —CodeCat 01:04, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
In видеть the present endings are attached to "вид" (without е) (ви́дит), infinitive and other forms to "ви́де". In выстоять, the present endings are attached to "высто" (no я). Does that mean that the present ending are to be chopped off? выгнать is even more complicated. --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
выгнать is just irregular. I didn't mean chop the ending off, I mean to make the module decide whether to add e or a depending on the last consonant. So then just giving "ви́д" alone would be enough. —CodeCat 01:12, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't know the vowel rule. Could you show me? What's the Slovene function to determine this (if there is one). Besides, there are verbs that alternate prefixes (with or without "о") - разогнаться/разгонюсь. Maybe it's better to leave it as is? --Anatoli (обсудить/вклад) 01:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Slovene doesn't have a function for this because you can only do this with Lua, not with templates. Slovene has two separate templates instead; one for the -ati variety and another for -eti. But because the vowel (a or e) is determined by the consonant before it, it is predictable, and when the Slovene templates are converted to Lua, they can be merged. —CodeCat 01:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
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