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4 Jul 2011, 7:48 pm
deleted scene: Oh, but actually — . . . | ← Older revision | Revision as of 18:48, 4 July 2011 | | Line 4,056: | Line 4,056: | | | :'''Weak keep''', but only because this seems confined to the context of cinema. If the term can be shown to apply to theatre or other situations where a scene could be cut, then I'd agree with deleting it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 22:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC) | | :'''Weak keep''', but only because this seems confined to the context of cinema. If the term can be shown to apply to theatre or other situations where a scene could be cut, then I'd agree with deleting it. --[[User:EncycloPetey|EncycloPetey]] 22:51, 2 July 2011 (UTC) | | | :: '''Comment.''' That's a good point. The phrase most often refers to a scene in a movie or TV episode that is filmed but that is later removed (during post-production), not to a scene that is removed during pre-production and is never filmed. That's why it's mostly confined to cinema: that sort of change is less common in television, and is impossible in a play or novel or whatnot. That said, I think part of the reason for this is that people don't usually talk about scenes that are deleted in other ways: usually you talk about a deleted scene if it's shown during the credits or is in the director's cut or on the DVD or in the trailers or whatnot. In the rare cases that an otherwise-deleted scene does get discussed, the phrase "deleted scene" does sometimes get used. For example, the play ''The Crucible'' was originally performed with an Act II, Scene ii that was removed early on, and {{google|"deleted scene" crucible}} shows that people do sometimes use the phrase "deleted scene" in reference to it. (Only once at {{b.g.c.|"deleted scene" crucible}}, though.) For another examples, writers will sometimes release "deleted scenes" from their novels (scenes that didn't make the published book) on their web-sites, as a sort of teaser or bonus for fans; examples of that are [http://yslee.com/2010/07/a-deleted-scene-from-body/ here] and [http://www.allword-news.co.uk/2010/11/29/holiday-bonus-why-im-releasing-a-deleted-scene-from-my-novel-on-cyber-monday/ here]. But one could argue that all of these non-cinematic uses are still just extensions of the core cinematic use. —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 18:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC) | | :: '''Comment.''' That's a good point. The phrase most often refers to a scene in a movie or TV episode that is filmed but that is later removed (during post-production), not to a scene that is removed during pre-production and is never filmed. That's why it's mostly confined to cinema: that sort of change is less common in television, and is impossible in a play or novel or whatnot. That said, I think part of the reason for this is that people don't usually talk about scenes that are deleted in other ways: usually you talk about a deleted scene if it's shown during the credits or is in the director's cut or on the DVD or in the trailers or whatnot. In the rare cases that an otherwise-deleted scene does get discussed, the phrase "deleted scene" does sometimes get used. For example, the play ''The Crucible'' was originally performed with an Act II, Scene ii that was removed early on, and {{google|"deleted scene" crucible}} shows that people do sometimes use the phrase "deleted scene" in reference to it. (Only once at {{b.g.c.|"deleted scene" crucible}}, though.) For another examples, writers will sometimes release "deleted scenes" from their novels (scenes that didn't make the published book) on their web-sites, as a sort of teaser or bonus for fans; examples of that are [http://yslee.com/2010/07/a-deleted-scene-from-body/ here] and [http://www.allword-news.co.uk/2010/11/29/holiday-bonus-why-im-releasing-a-deleted-scene-from-my-novel-on-cyber-monday/ here]. But one could argue that all of these non-cinematic uses are still just extensions of the core cinematic use. —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 18:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC) | | | + | ::: Oh, but actually — any restrictions on "deleted scene" regarding the type of deletion ''may'' actually be restrictions on "delete". Does a novelist or playwright or director or editor "delete" a scene, or do they "remove" it or "kill" it or "edit it out"? Maybe scenes just don't get "deleted" until post-production. If so, then it doesn't seem like the collocation "deleted scene" is actually an idiom, though it may be a set phrase. —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]]<sub ><small ><i >[[User talk: Ruakh |TALK]]</i ></small ></sub > 18:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC) | | | | | | | | :'''Keep''' and improve. Very often deleted scenes are available as a bonus feature on a DVD, and in some cases (usually in comedies) they are played as a background to the film credits. Therefore, a deleted scene is not only a scene that is deleted from the film and never again seen, but is sometimes a scene deleted from the body of the film, but made available in another form of media. [[User:BD2412|<font style="background:lightgreen">''bd2412''</font>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC) | | :'''Keep''' and improve. Very often deleted scenes are available as a bonus feature on a DVD, and in some cases (usually in comedies) they are played as a background to the film credits. Therefore, a deleted scene is not only a scene that is deleted from the film and never again seen, but is sometimes a scene deleted from the body of the film, but made available in another form of media. [[User:BD2412|<font style="background:lightgreen">''bd2412''</font>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 17:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC) | |
